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Post by BrickMadness on Apr 2, 2014 9:22:08 GMT -8
Haha! Good show Schmidt! LOL! Lenfald did vote for itself but, We are not as bad as Loreas! [yet!] Actually you guys are worse if you look at the stats. More Loreos members voted and most of them didn't even vote for their own faction because we encouraged free voting for fun. Now...if we all voted for our own faction, Loreos would have won the last GC with 61% of the vote. If anything it shows Loreesi don't hold grudges. (yet). Ha!! Imputence! LOL! True I willing admit that I voted for other factions myself but Some of my votes did go to my faction. Its hard not to vote for you factions entry especially if its really good!
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Post by Sir Valiant~ on Apr 2, 2014 9:50:54 GMT -8
Awesome compilation of stats Schmidt! It was good read and a funny one at that! Too bad Lenfald is so dishonest! I know for me personally it was very difficult to vote for each category but I decided to never vote for a build from the same faction twice. I cast my votes as one for Garheim, one for Loreos, one for Lenfald, and none for outlaws. This way I forced myself to have to not choose two or three from my own faction. I find it really ironic that the outlaws are the most honest. Sir Valiant~
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Schmidt
Adventurer
Lord of the Bargain
All for one, one for all, every man for himself!
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Post by Schmidt on Apr 2, 2014 10:37:55 GMT -8
I would just echo mattiusxavier in saying that Lenfald was in fact the most "dishonest" faction, even though they didn't vote for their faction the most time. However, the other factions have no room to brag about this feat, as Lenfald actually became more honest this GC while every other faction became more corrupt. I don't know if this speaks good or bad to Highlord Triphian
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GyustSil
Lenfald
Overseeing works at Oakenfort, for the Great Lenfald!
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Post by GyustSil on Apr 2, 2014 12:18:47 GMT -8
Great statitics! And absolutely funny! -Despite its grudges, Lenfald sure does love it some Lenfald. As a matter of fact, Lenfald voters voted for their own entries a whopping 56% of the time!
Who could possibly do not love Lenfald?
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Post by Sir Caelan Munro on Apr 2, 2014 14:34:58 GMT -8
So.....this is all just stuff. I've never understood the whole "honesty" thing, because for these GCs, it's automatically an invalid assumption:
1. We joined our factions for our own personal reasons, one of which is that we like the builds in that faction. So, is it really "dishonesty", or merely builders being pleased with that type of MOC? For example, I love dark green as a color, trees, foliage over terrain, stone and wood fortresses, rivers...and guess where you find them....(shocker here), Lenfald! So doesn't it make sense that when I look at a build, I am automatically predesposed to find these points more pleasing to my eye than desert or ice-bound builds which may not be that aesthetically pleasing to me? And if so, am I "dishonest" for allowing that to influence my vote? It is an invalid assumption to claim dishonesty, and could potentially lead members to vote for a build they don't really like just to keep from appearing "dishonest". This same human nature would apply to desert builds for Loreesi members, rough and icey tundra builds for Garhim builders, and...and...and whatever appeals to those Outlaw fellas, probably large piles of gold substances with only an old blind farmer with a stick to guard them.
2. Are these percentages statistically significant? No, they are not. We are dealing with tens of votes here, not the usual 1000s, 10Ks, or even millions of data points that statisticians normally work with to "prove" theories. So with tens of votes, does a 4 point delta between Lenfald and Garheim really mean anything? A statistician would tell you no, the sample size is way to small. Now after dozens of Global Challenges, you might build up enough data to show a trend, but by the time you did, the members will have changed anyway, invalidating your conclusion of "dishonest faction".
3. Yes, I've had 4 statistic classes in college, why do you ask?
4. And my final point, is that we've had all this data presented here, some of it leading to highly questionable conclusions, and the data that is supposed to matter (somewhat) if LoR is actually going to track Global Points at all, is what are the final overall Faction tallies? Who is on top? Lenfald and Loreos were only 2.5 points apart, but Garheim won the GC, but Lenfald was close.... We still don't know which Faction is the leader right now in Global Points.
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Post by Mark of Falworth on Apr 2, 2014 16:12:04 GMT -8
Very interesting! All the factions are corrupt. Lenfald is the most... But to be honest I can see that happening. People join the faction they like, and it makes sense for them to vote for their favorite building style. Our only hope is that someone build such an awesome entry that all our inter-faction animosities are overcome by talent and skill. So get building everyone!
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Post by BrickMadness on Apr 2, 2014 16:51:53 GMT -8
Thank you Caelan!! That is exactly right!
I think it brings up a good point too! Maybe to try to win over votes we should try to build outside of our comfort zone!
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Gavin of Lockwood
Outlaws
"Crazy? I was crazy once. They put me in a blue room."
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Post by Gavin of Lockwood on Apr 2, 2014 17:02:42 GMT -8
I love how you took stabs at all the other factions. All for One! One for All! Every Man For Himself!
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Schmidt
Adventurer
Lord of the Bargain
All for one, one for all, every man for himself!
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Post by Schmidt on Apr 2, 2014 19:00:02 GMT -8
So.....this is all just stuff. I've never understood the whole "honesty" thing, because for these GCs, it's automatically an invalid assumption: 1. We joined our factions for our own personal reasons, one of which is that we like the builds in that faction. So, is it really "dishonesty", or merely builders being pleased with that type of MOC? For example, I love dark green as a color, trees, foliage over terrain, stone and wood fortresses, rivers...and guess where you find them....( shocker here), Lenfald! So doesn't it make sense that when I look at a build, I am automatically predesposed to find these points more pleasing to my eye than desert or ice-bound builds which may not be that aesthetically pleasing to me? And if so, am I "dishonest" for allowing that to influence my vote? It is an invalid assumption to claim dishonesty, and could potentially lead members to vote for a build they don't really like just to keep from appearing "dishonest". This same human nature would apply to desert builds for Loreesi members, rough and icey tundra builds for Garhim builders, and...and... and whatever appeals to those Outlaw fellas, probably large piles of gold substances with only an old blind farmer with a stick to guard them.2. Are these percentages statistically significant? No, they are not. We are dealing with tens of votes here, not the usual 1000s, 10Ks, or even millions of data points that statisticians normally work with to "prove" theories. So with tens of votes, does a 4 point delta between Lenfald and Garheim really mean anything? A statistician would tell you no, the sample size is way to small. Now after dozens of Global Challenges, you might build up enough data to show a trend, but by the time you did, the members will have changed anyway, invalidating your conclusion of "dishonest faction". 3. Yes, I've had 4 statistic classes in college, why do you ask? 4. And my final point, is that we've had all this data presented here, some of it leading to highly questionable conclusions, and the data that is supposed to matter (somewhat) if LoR is actually going to track Global Points at all, is what are the final overall Faction tallies? Who is on top? Lenfald and Loreos were only 2.5 points apart, but Garheim won the GC, but Lenfald was close.... We still don't know which Faction is the leader right now in Global Points.
Gary,
1.) The honesty factor is just a "fun" little addition we throw in because players (for the most part) enjoy seeing it. We are not claiming that any one individual is dishonest in their voting. This is simply a fun way to present the statistics. We always encourage builders to vote for the build they like the most, regardless of what the popular trend is. We all know it is not indicative of any greater morality problem or some severe mental sickness.
2.) We are not trying to prove any theories here. Nothing mentioned in the statistics states such a thought. As a matter of fact, I offered a disclaimer that these statistics are presented in a way so that we can poke fun at one another. If someone takes this seriously to the point they are upset or offended, then it is certainly not the fault of the ones who compiled the data. I jokingly talk about how awesome Queen Galainir is (though I am serious on this matter), state that Triphian makes Lenfels corrupt, talk about the Loreos FO and FL conspiracy, and say that Garheim is in love with Garheim. I even state how this is a lighthearted manner of viewing statistics. I hope this clarifies no theories are sought to be proven true here.
3.) Thanks for the information.
4.) Of course they lead to Questionable Conclusions, that's the idea behind the fun factor. To say Lenfald holds grudges (and seriously mean it) based upon a few votes in a contest is absolutely ludicrous. After all, as it is previously mentioned, these statistics haven't been brought forth to prove anything. The true statistics related to voting are wrapped up in a little funny package. Having statistic classes yourself, you know that some are boring and dull. We try to lighten them up. Also, if you are concerned about Lenfald's total in the Global Scoring you need to contact your FO/FL. I can't speak on behalf of Lenfald. Our score has been updated for almost two weeks.
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Zach Bean
Roawian Overseer
Outlaw Faction Overseer
Traveling Roawia. Find me at the local tavern.
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Post by Zach Bean on Apr 2, 2014 19:08:05 GMT -8
We FLs take our jobs very seriously indeed. And as an Outlaw, I am also the most honest voter you will ever come across. Gary does bring up a good point about members being attracted to their own faction's building style, because that's why they most likely joined it. But this also becomes a bit skewed since Outlaws are free to travel to each faction, therefore our build style should be very diverse and fitting of multiple factions. Which in turn means we should be able to rake in more votes if we appealed to each factions' individual themes, but we don't for some odd reason. That's because everyone holds a grudge against us honest Outlaws because we're the "bad guys". So what if we took your gold, wine, and dignity? Give us your votes you corrupt war mongers! We have gold, wine, and dignity to give out.
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AK_Brickster
Innkeeper
Scouting the Lenfel Border
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Post by AK_Brickster on Apr 2, 2014 21:03:28 GMT -8
We are still waiting for Loreos and Lenfald to compile their GC scores. Bug your FO's (or volunteer to do it yourself!) if you'd like the update to come sooner
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Post by mattiusxavier on Apr 3, 2014 4:51:09 GMT -8
So.....this is all just stuff. I've never understood the whole "honesty" thing, because for these GCs, it's automatically an invalid assumption... I have the answer to all our problems Gary...its this magical brew that they make in a far off land called "Kentucky". When we see each other I will make sure to share some with you...this way any and all problems can be resolved.
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andhe
Squire
More building, less talking.
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Post by andhe on Apr 3, 2014 6:03:46 GMT -8
I'll come clean and say that as a Garhim, I voted for (if I recall correctly) my favourite builds in every category... and two of these happened to be builders for Garheim. If anything, a Garhim builder would have to work harder for my vote than if they were in a different faction. What do I mean by this?... Well for each category I look at the original brief (ie 'show you character defending/attacking blah blah') as well as originality and technique in the build. If I get deja vu by looking at your build (ie if it's a scene/layout that I've seen 100 times before) then it won't get my vote UNLESS there is something that stands out eg clever technique, idea used effectively. In this case General JJ's build just blew everyone elses out of the water (for me) and was the first build in a while that genuinely made me say 'wow!'. So Garhim or not, it had to get my vote Perhaps we could try a voting system for the next GC that excludes votes for your own faction? Could be interesting
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Rifiröfi
Outlaws
Wolfgang has gone into hibernation indefinitely...
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Post by Rifiröfi on Apr 3, 2014 6:43:25 GMT -8
So.....this is all just stuff. I've never understood the whole "honesty" thing, because for these GCs, it's automatically an invalid assumption: 1. We joined our factions for our own personal reasons, one of which is that we like the builds in that faction. So, is it really "dishonesty", or merely builders being pleased with that type of MOC? For example, I love dark green as a color, trees, foliage over terrain, stone and wood fortresses, rivers...and guess where you find them....( shocker here), Lenfald! So doesn't it make sense that when I look at a build, I am automatically predesposed to find these points more pleasing to my eye than desert or ice-bound builds which may not be that aesthetically pleasing to me? And if so, am I "dishonest" for allowing that to influence my vote? It is an invalid assumption to claim dishonesty, and could potentially lead members to vote for a build they don't really like just to keep from appearing "dishonest". This same human nature would apply to desert builds for Loreesi members, rough and icey tundra builds for Garhim builders, and...and... and whatever appeals to those Outlaw fellas, probably large piles of gold substances with only an old blind farmer with a stick to guard them.We can't argue with that! Furthermore, you gave me an excellent idea for GC7: - I will build a scene/write a story about an old blind farmer with a stick, who lives in a cottage at the edge of the forest and guards large piles of gold acquired over the years through hard working.
- A traveller, let's call him Wolfgang, seeks refuge from a strange weather phenomenon (a sandstorm AND a snowstorm at the same time. A sand snowstorm or a snow sandstorm, I don't know, I am not a native speaker of English). A Sandsnowstorm is not only cold, but the sand stucks in your fur, so it is not a pleasant thing at all. These circumstances should appeal to members of all factions.
- Wolfgang knocks on the door and says "
little pig old farmer, little pig old farmer let me in". - The farmer invites him in and, while waiting for the snowsandstorm to end, they fry bacon according to the BRO code.
If this does not win the GC then I truly don't know what would... Cheers Adam
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Post by Sir Caelan Munro on Apr 3, 2014 14:14:38 GMT -8
We are still waiting for Loreos and Lenfald to compile their GC scores. Bug your FO's (or volunteer to do it yourself!) if you'd like the update to come sooner Great AK, I volunteer happily; I've been waiting and haven't seen anything on it....So can you explain how the awarding of points was decided for GC VI? Last I saw on Classic Castle, the response was that the FOs were waiting on a decision on how to translate GC VI votes into Global Faction points. But I'm happy to do the work, if someone can PM me on the conversion. Schmidt: Yeah, I hadn't meant to cause a fuss, it was just discussion, because this is actually not the first time this joke had been made, and I think members need to understand that it is just that, a joke . In real life, accusing someone of dishonesty is actually fairly serious business .... mattiusxavier ....although a shot of Kentucky Bourbon may make it less serious Zach Bean: "Give us your votes you corrupt war mongers!" You know, I was going to give you grief about this, until I realized we have declared war on you Outlaws... twice...now, so...um...yeah... Rifiröfi: I knew it, you Outlaws really can't resist a big pile of poorly-guarded gold! So that could make for an effective trap for the Queen's goons...
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