Lord Silver
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Post by Lord Silver on Nov 9, 2016 15:59:40 GMT -8
So on a note completely unrelated to Lego, i live in the United States and Donald Trump has just been voted in as President as the United States. Personally, this scares me. Any thoughts on this election and/or impacts now that he's president?
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Post by crazycrownieguy on Nov 9, 2016 17:21:55 GMT -8
It scares the gong out of me, the fact that he can barely run his own businesses makes me doubt how well he can run the country. On another note though, I don't how long this discussion will stay up, as it seems that political discussions tend to go terribly online.
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ludzik
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Post by ludzik on Nov 9, 2016 20:01:14 GMT -8
Scares me... But not as much as the alternative scared me. The big question that we should put in front of ourselves is really how do we do better with choices next time around....
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Post by Sir Caedric Moore on Nov 10, 2016 7:01:07 GMT -8
The DNC (Democratic National Convention) and the entire Democratic party needs to be gutted and reformed. Senator Bernie Sanders won the primary by a landslide - he even got more votes than Clinton did WITH her super-delegates, which were intended to guarantee her the win; wikileaks proved the primary was rigged, and a lot bigger deal ought to be made out of that. I have no doubt that if it had come down to Sanders against Trump, the election wouldn't have been so divisive and nowhere near as close of a call. The fact that people distrusted Clinton enough to elect a man with no experience as a public servant or any political background, a terrible record as a businessman, a slew of controversy around him, and hours upon hours of footage and recordings of him saying hateful nasty things about many different groups of people is a clear sign that a rigged establishment needs to go.
On the bright side, Trump has no business being the President and will likely mess up grandly and be impeached - or he may learn from those around him, turn over a new leaf, and become a decent guy. I doubt the latter, though.
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josdu
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Post by josdu on Nov 10, 2016 7:57:24 GMT -8
I doubt he'll get impeached no matter what he does. But maybe. And, though I'm not sure I'd call this 'decent', he'll probably be better then the present president.
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Lord Silver
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Post by Lord Silver on Nov 10, 2016 9:30:55 GMT -8
I doubt he'll get impeached no matter what he does. But maybe. And, though I'm not sure I'd call this 'decent', he'll probably be better then the present president. I disagree. I think Donald Trump will be worse than Obama, but I agree that he may not be impeached. As for everyone else, I agree and I am worried to sre this many people have unhappy with the election in this small community. |
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Post by crazycrownieguy on Nov 10, 2016 13:03:27 GMT -8
Though I have a level of disgust towards Trump that I feel towards no one else, I think it would be worse if he were to be impeached. His vice-president is an even nastier piece of work than Trump is, if Trump gets impeached and Pence gets to take over, LBGTQ people are screwed, and he will likely try to turn the country into a freakin theocracy, plus Pence has a level of competence to him that Trump is sorely lacking in. I agree Lord Silver, Trump is way worse then Obama, he wasn't perfect, but he did lower unemployment, and did a fairly decent job, plus he never advocated for any of the racist, homophobic or sexist gong that Trump has. |
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AK_Brickster
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Post by AK_Brickster on Nov 10, 2016 13:27:42 GMT -8
As long as this topic stays civil, it can stay up.
Please keep the discussion limited to policy and other non-subjective topics of conversation. No need to slam one candidate or the other, since we all likely agree they were both terrible choices to begin with, haha.
I didn't vote for Clinton or Trump. I think that Trump will likely not be the best president we've ever had, nor will he be the end of America. There are too many checks and balances for one person to ruin the whole thing. If anything I'm intrigued to see what he can accomplish with a GOP-controlled congress. Hopefully they'll put their efforts toward something halfway productive, since pretty much nothing has gotten done in congress in the last 4 years. I'd rather see something implemented and fail, so we can learn from it and move on, than just sit around yelling and not getting anything done.
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Post by Sir Caelan Munro on Nov 10, 2016 15:05:12 GMT -8
I was going to say that Merlin's Beard is not for politics, but since AK_Brickster has already said yes but stay civil, I will back down on that. That said, what does this conversation have to do with LEGO, the Castle theme, or building? For those who haven't picked up on it yet, all politics, left or right, is about power and control over other people, and politicians are the power-pushers. It is a corrupt endeavor from the start, as humans are so susceptible to corruption. Putting your faith in any career politician to point of being upset is a mistake; they will always let you down even if they are elected. Do research on the issues and candidates, choose the path that makes the most sense to you, cast your vote and then walk away. There are far more important things in life to use your energy on.... Like building LEGO MOCs  |
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Post by Sir Caedric Moore on Nov 10, 2016 15:14:29 GMT -8
The problem with a Republican-controlled congress is that most of them believe climate change is a hoax and would rather put their efforts into reviving the dying coal and oil industries which further harm the planet than invest in green energy and renewable resources or do anything proactive towards ending our reliance on fossil fuels or curbing our insane amount of waste and garbage. Programs like Nickelodeon's "The Big Help" need to make a comeback and overall awareness of climate change needs to be made a bigger topic. We need to turn away from war and propaganda and scandal in politics and work on fixing things instead of killing each other and the planet. If Trump and the rest of the Republican party can change their behavior from the last eight years and learn to work together towards a common goal without filibustering everything merely on the basis of political party alone, maybe things can turn around and we can be the country we all believe we should be.
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josdu
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Post by josdu on Nov 10, 2016 15:39:59 GMT -8
Please keep the discussion limited to policy and other non-subjective topics of conversation. No need to slam one candidate or the other, since we all likely agree they were both terrible choices to begin with, haha. I didn't vote for Clinton or Trump. I think that Trump will likely not be the best president we've ever had, nor will he be the end of America. There are too many checks and balances for one person to ruin the whole thing. If anything I'm intrigued to see what he can accomplish with a GOP-controlled congress. Hopefully they'll put their efforts toward something halfway productive, since pretty much nothing has gotten done in congress in the last 4 years. I'd rather see something implemented and fail, so we can learn from it and move on, than just sit around yelling and not getting anything done. Ex-actly (and you too Gary). Out of curiosity, did you vote at all AK? |
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Lord Silver
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Post by Lord Silver on Nov 10, 2016 15:55:04 GMT -8
For the record, I did say this had nothing to do with Lego, I just wanted a couple people's opinions on the election. I didn't know where else to say this, and I don't want this to be a full-fledged debate. Hey and Sir Caelan Munro, speaking of corrupt people in charge of others, how about kings? And what about Prince/King Chartres? |
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Post by Sir Caelan Munro on Nov 10, 2016 19:21:19 GMT -8
For the record, I did say this had nothing to do with Lego, I just wanted a couple people's opinions on the election. I didn't know where else to say this, and I don't want this to be a full-fledged debate. Hey and Sir Caelan Munro , speaking of corrupt people in charge of others, how about kings? And what about Prince/King Chartres? Which is precisely why our Founding Fathers didn't want a king, at least until George Washington proved to be such a great leader. Then a few of them changed their minds and started getting stupid (there is some strange thing about the human race that is akin to sheep following a shepherd, even among smart people) and thought he should be made king. And the truly great thing about George Washington which so few people realize is that not only did he turn that offer down but also turned down a third term. This is one of the first times in history anyone turned down great power, and as it turns out one of the few times. He set that stage right off, and it's been critical to who we are, and our freedom. Yet even Washington had his dark side; as General he had deserters and shirkers punished very harshly. I studied all the kings and queens of England in college as part of my History classes. The vast majority of them were absolute scumbags, power-mad vile people who did terrible things to their would-be opponents, all the while as head of the Church of England! Queen Victoria was one of the few exceptions, but her power had been limited by then by Parliament. Our little fantasy world of LoR is great because we get to pretend like there can be such a thing as a good, honest and decent king or queen who really only looks out for their own people. It's fantasy. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, but even partial power can and does corrupt partially. Both Clinton and Trump have shown us this side of themselves. Kings and queens don't come with term limits; thank God our Presidential position does, and in my opinion Senators and Representatives should be limited as well. Too bad that's one of the things our Founding Fathers missed in the Constitution. Our politicians get across the Potomac, and the longer they stay there the more corrupt they become, regardless of party or ideology. So I shall leave you with my favorite quote from one of the greatest commenters of all time, Mark Twain: "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.” |
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ludzik
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Post by ludzik on Nov 10, 2016 21:11:51 GMT -8
The question that I want to have an answer to is will Trump lower the customs fees on Lego products? Isn't that the reason we voted for the man after all?  |
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josdu
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Post by josdu on Nov 11, 2016 4:44:10 GMT -8
What about Edward VI? I thought he was pretty good while he lasted (before he died - or was killed). Doesn't Trump claim he will try to limit senators and rep's terms? In fact, if he did half what he says, he'd be our best president in a while  . Hehe, yeah right. Yep, power corrupts, which is why our founding fathers tried to form government so as to give not too much power to any one person: including themselves. Oh, and while we're talking about kings, I thought Josiah was a pretty great king, particularly compared to the previous and following king's of Judah . Interesting both my examples were made king young and died fairly young too. |
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. Hehe, yeah right. Yep, power corrupts, which is why our founding fathers tried to form government so as to give not too much power to any one person: including themselves. Oh, and while we're talking about kings, I thought Josiah was a pretty great king, particularly compared to the previous and following king's of Judah